well you still havent shown any proof for what your claiming about strength of the small ring mauser action. i will straight up say, one wont just blow up when run hotter, but running hi powered modern loads in one uses up the actions safety margins for strength. with an action such as these that dont have the mod98's 3rd lug for safety, or the gas handling characteristics, it is totally unwise to run modern pressure ammo through one. IMO it is piss poor to advise folks that it is OK to do so!
Modern loads in the 7mm Mauser?
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mike in co
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we have moved away from the questions, so i will go back to the question.
if there was a market for 7 mauser with a supply of modern rifles then one could market ammo marked "plus p" /"for modern fire arms only".....
but since the second does not exisit i doubt the first wil either.
( lefty.....the small ring 96 mauser is 55kpsi in 6.5x55 swede.....the commercial conversions have to be proof tested in europe. so it would seem the test were done and 58kpsi was accepted(( less than std 30'06)).......you are correct i have no "proof" i only know what has been done and sold commercially in europe......58kpsi on a 96 small ring mauser).
mike in co
if there was a market for 7 mauser with a supply of modern rifles then one could market ammo marked "plus p" /"for modern fire arms only".....
but since the second does not exisit i doubt the first wil either.
( lefty.....the small ring 96 mauser is 55kpsi in 6.5x55 swede.....the commercial conversions have to be proof tested in europe. so it would seem the test were done and 58kpsi was accepted(( less than std 30'06)).......you are correct i have no "proof" i only know what has been done and sold commercially in europe......58kpsi on a 96 small ring mauser).
mike in co
Probably not wise to jump in this but, IIRC Kimber of Oregon rebarreled M96 Swedes to 308, 243, and 22-250 and sold them as conversions to the publice here in the states just before being bought out and moved to NY. Everything I read claimed the actions were up to the pressures and the rifles were safe. The M96 doesn`t handle gas as well as some others but isn`t lacking strength
mike in co
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well then, show us some proof. alot of people have seen things that dont exist. you say they chambered the 1896 mauser in 30-06, well it doesnt fit the action, so what else have you seen. you seem to want to prove everybody wrong about the strength of this action, but have zero proof. you think maybe paul mauser thought it wasnt the strongest thing in the world, and set about making the mod98. a action that was bigger, longer, stronger, and could better handle gasses to protect the shooter in case something went wrong. pushing the 1896 reciever past what it was designed for is a very bad idea, unless you personally dont mind 55,000psi in your face! maybe i take this too personally, but i have been behind a rifle when its gas handling abilities were tested, and its a spooky experience, and fortunately i still have my eyes. pushing a rifle to its limits is not a wise idea, and advocating others that it is ok to do so is beyond foolish!
mike in co
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well since you mentioned the 55kpsi...maybe you should check the design pressure for the 6.5x55 swede cartridge. it is 55kpsi. yes 55kpsi since it's inception in 1896. it is the child of the '96 mauser action. my only cliam is that commercial 30'06 96 mausers designed for the cip 58kpsi round have been built and sold in europe.
i do not see moving from 55 to 58 as a dangerous move. that is a mere 3kpsi increase over the 6.5x55.
look at what is done in a rem 700 action today in benchrest. todays br loads are a lot more than 3kpsi over what that reciever was designed for.
you have your opinion, i have mine...mine is based on the facts of what has been done in europe for years. you don't like that, do not complain to me..i did not start it.
mike in co
i do not see moving from 55 to 58 as a dangerous move. that is a mere 3kpsi increase over the 6.5x55.
look at what is done in a rem 700 action today in benchrest. todays br loads are a lot more than 3kpsi over what that reciever was designed for.
you have your opinion, i have mine...mine is based on the facts of what has been done in europe for years. you don't like that, do not complain to me..i did not start it.
mike in co
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mike in co
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just because YOU have not seen them do not mean they do not exisit.
my facts are in europe, as i have said before and some in the states now too.
just because YOUR opinon is that it is not so , does not make you correct.
i believe SARCO was the improter that sold them in the usa.
you are correct, your opinion does not count.
mike in co
my facts are in europe, as i have said before and some in the states now too.
just because YOUR opinon is that it is not so , does not make you correct.
i believe SARCO was the improter that sold them in the usa.
you are correct, your opinion does not count.
mike in co
7x57 Realistic Loads in a strong action.
I have always loved the 7x57 in the field. Effective, mild mannered and versatile.
With it I have shot Muleys, Whitetails, Blacktails, Black Bear, Elk and Moose [8 of these]
At last count, I have taken 52 head of game with this great chambering.
I have owned 7x57 rifles by Ruger [M77R] by Winchester [Featherweight x2], by
Mauser [M98], by Husqvarna, and by Savage [M110]
At present, I own 2 7x57 rifles with very strong actions: a #1AB Ruger, and a M700
"Classic" Remington. Both sport 22" barrels.
I load 140, 150 and 160 grain bullets in these, depending on the game I am pursuing.
I am a long-time Partition fan, but lately have been using the Accubonds and Interbonds
with great success. I use slower burners in my 7x57 rifles, usually dense powders are
best due to limited case capacity. [Norma MRP, Superperformance, Reloder 19 and 22.]
ATM, I am experimenting with StaBALL 6.5, to see if it yields good results.
I expect [and get] just over 2900 with 140's, 2800 and pennies with 150's and 2700
with 160's. Accuracy is great, and cases [Winchester, PPU or Hornady] last a long time.
I seldom recover a Partition, but have a couple. 2 Accubonds, and 1 Interbond. The rest
have been pass through. Most of my animals have been 1 shot and done, but a couple
were shot a second time whether necessary or not, lol.
I would be a liar to say that this old-timer is not one of my all time favorites. All my kids
learned to shoot and hunt with it, and I continue to use it on a regular bases. Dave.
I have always loved the 7x57 in the field. Effective, mild mannered and versatile.
With it I have shot Muleys, Whitetails, Blacktails, Black Bear, Elk and Moose [8 of these]
At last count, I have taken 52 head of game with this great chambering.
I have owned 7x57 rifles by Ruger [M77R] by Winchester [Featherweight x2], by
Mauser [M98], by Husqvarna, and by Savage [M110]
At present, I own 2 7x57 rifles with very strong actions: a #1AB Ruger, and a M700
"Classic" Remington. Both sport 22" barrels.
I load 140, 150 and 160 grain bullets in these, depending on the game I am pursuing.
I am a long-time Partition fan, but lately have been using the Accubonds and Interbonds
with great success. I use slower burners in my 7x57 rifles, usually dense powders are
best due to limited case capacity. [Norma MRP, Superperformance, Reloder 19 and 22.]
ATM, I am experimenting with StaBALL 6.5, to see if it yields good results.
I expect [and get] just over 2900 with 140's, 2800 and pennies with 150's and 2700
with 160's. Accuracy is great, and cases [Winchester, PPU or Hornady] last a long time.
I seldom recover a Partition, but have a couple. 2 Accubonds, and 1 Interbond. The rest
have been pass through. Most of my animals have been 1 shot and done, but a couple
were shot a second time whether necessary or not, lol.
I would be a liar to say that this old-timer is not one of my all time favorites. All my kids
learned to shoot and hunt with it, and I continue to use it on a regular bases. Dave.
Pete Wass
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What proof
would satisfy you? Just curious. Two choices: beat it to death or move on. Pretty difficult to post PROOF here.
Pete
would satisfy you? Just curious. Two choices: beat it to death or move on. Pretty difficult to post PROOF here.
Pete
Pete, this was posted on 01-27-2012. My guess is that Lefty has moved on.
The 7x57mm
seems to have always suffered here in the US from the vast supply of old mausers that are not proofed for the full potential of the 7x57. American ammo has been loaded for the least common denominator. If you want to see its full potential get some factory NORMA ammo.
In a strong, modern action it leaves nothing on the table vs. the 7mm/08. Seems if its invented here, as in the 7/08, any popularity that it develops is hard to overcome. Same can be said of the 8x57JS cartridge. Most of the whomp of the 30-06 with a wider bullet. Preferences vary for a lot of reasons and that's good!
seems to have always suffered here in the US from the vast supply of old mausers that are not proofed for the full potential of the 7x57. American ammo has been loaded for the least common denominator. If you want to see its full potential get some factory NORMA ammo.
In a strong, modern action it leaves nothing on the table vs. the 7mm/08. Seems if its invented here, as in the 7/08, any popularity that it develops is hard to overcome. Same can be said of the 8x57JS cartridge. Most of the whomp of the 30-06 with a wider bullet. Preferences vary for a lot of reasons and that's good!
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