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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie schmidt View Post
    .............comparing it to a lever system cleared up a lot of brain fog and got me past the old perpetual motion thing......

    whuhh-BAMMM!!!

    Friggin' WIKKID!!


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    thank you Jackie for taking the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackie schmidt View Post
    I watched the video and several others where physicists were explaining exactly how the downwind car works.

    The light came on when you finally see that the Prop is not driven by the wind, but by the wheels. The concept of comparing it to a lever system cleared up a lot of brain fog and got me past the old perpetual motion thing. The propís speed, or better itís blade tip velocity, is so much greater than the speed of the rotating wheels that it induces the force to accelerate the vehicle faster than the downwind direction of travel.

    Thanks for posting.

    Why then do you even need the wind? Just give it a shove to get it rolling and off you go, be sure to put brakes on it.. Sure looks like perpetual motion to me, been down that rabbit hole more than once. ( which shows I'm a slow learner)

    And I like Al and FB, don't want to see either one go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieH View Post
    Why then do you even need the wind? Just give it a shove to get it rolling and off you go, be sure to put brakes on it.. Sure looks like perpetual motion to me, been down that rabbit hole more than once. ( which shows I'm a slow learner)

    And I like Al and FB, don't want to see either one go.
    LOL!!! My Father-in-law, an inventor who made his living actually inventing viable products (he invented the coin-op air vending machine for corner gas stations, among other things) died with a perpetual motion mo'chine on his workbench.....

    I giggled when, 20yrs ago he made a big rotating table with all sorts of "magnets" on it and was SOOOO excited!! He couldn't QUITE get 'er kickstarted.... but he could basically "keep 'er going forever if he trickled in just a dab of electric!"

    Anyways.... here's the difference. This buggy is not perpetual motion. It HAS a power input. Left to it's own devices it'll slowly creep down the wind just like a balloon, or a cardboard box, or a kid on a skateboard with his jacket open. It HAS a power source. (((BTW the kid on the skate can get RIPPIN' by tacking with the jacket flaps!!)))

    Just as a light balloon has a power source. And the balloon being very light-for-size will probably achieve very nearly 100% windspeed over time. Riding in a balloon gondola can only be described as "serene" because there is essentially NO WIND! You've matched the windspeed.

    But you certainly can't go FASTER....

    The absolute beauty of the thing is that if it can get up to say 80% windspeed on it's own.... kinda' like to kid on the skateboard..... and then you draw some power off the drivetrain to spin a light prop and this prop "pushes on the face of the wind!!!"

    You get the wind feeding you a constant say 10mph...... and you use that for push, then you use the wheel-drive to add to that.


    10mph wind....constant power

    -If you can drift to 8mph
    -and then add 3mph from the prop

    You're getting 11mph in a 10mph wind!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    LOL!!! My Father-in-law, an inventor who made his living actually inventing viable products (he invented the coin-op air vending machine for corner gas stations, among other things) died with a perpetual motion mo'chine on his workbench.....

    I giggled when, 20yrs ago he made a big rotating table with all sorts of "magnets" on it and was SOOOO excited!! He couldn't QUITE get 'er kickstarted.... but he could basically "keep 'er going forever if he trickled in just a dab of electric!"

    Anyways.... here's the difference. This buggy is not perpetual motion. It HAS a power input. Left to it's own devices it'll slowly creep down the wind just like a balloon, or a cardboard box, or a kid on a skateboard with his jacket open. It HAS a power source. (((BTW the kid on the skate can get RIPPIN' by tacking with the jacket flaps!!)))

    Just as a light balloon has a power source. And the balloon being very light-for-size will probably achieve very nearly 100% windspeed over time. Riding in a balloon gondola can only be described as "serene" because there is essentially NO WIND! You've matched the windspeed.

    But you certainly can't go FASTER....

    The absolute beauty of the thing is that if it can get up to say 80% windspeed on it's own.... kinda' like to kid on the skateboard..... and then you draw some power off the drivetrain to spin a light prop and this prop "pushes on the face of the wind!!!"

    You get the wind feeding you a constant say 10mph...... and you use that for push, then you use the wheel-drive to add to that.


    10mph wind....constant power

    -If you can drift to 8mph
    -and then add 3mph from the prop

    You're getting 11mph in a 10mph wind!!


    Yes, as to your father -law, I know how he felt. 50 years ago, I was 25 and I absolutely, positively had a machine design that would run on the effects of gravity, no way in hell it wouldn't work. Built a prototype. I'd like to tell you that I was bought out by big oil and living the good life, but I'd be lying.

    It just stood there, not doing a thing. (sort of like some of my employees)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieH View Post
    Yes, as to your father -law, I know how he felt. 50 years ago, I was 25 and I absolutely, positively had a machine design that would run on the effects of gravity, no way in hell it wouldn't work. Built a prototype. I'd like to tell you that I was bought out by big oil and living the good life, but I'd be lying.

    It just stood there, not doing a thing. (sort of like some of my employees)
    'tchu talkin about.......they're doing something.......checking twitter

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    BTW, instead of Big Oil buying you out, they kill you ....... I've got a second cousin who supposedly built a motor that'd "twist off a 1-inch output shaft" and ran forever off "the ether" him, his partner "The Big Indian" and his foreign money man all disappeared under mysterious circumstances or were murdered "by the big corporations that control the government"

    This guy is family, I've grown up with the tale. My dentist used to live with the guy, his uncle, and believes it totally. I have dozens of close relatives who knew the guy personally (they all refer to him as "a genius"... I've got 4-5 other relatives that get called "genius" a lot too. But no-one ever calls ME a genius...) anyways the people who're still alive and sane all believe he really did it.

    I of course think they're all deluded LOL

    I've learned to just set there and nod and bob and chuck in the occasional comment or question (((I'm better than George Noori at leading questions.... heck I'm better than Art Bell and he was considered to be the master...)))

    I get it all....

    And they don't KNOW I think they're crazy

    I've also got a "Dad's Uncle Alvin" who could drive nails with his 30-30, get all the clothespins on the line spinning at the same time and he even once "drove a chainsaw file clear through a telephone pole from 2 poles away"

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    On the subject of powerline poles.....My favorite family story concerns the twister that touched down on XXXX's farm. It took apart the barn and stuck STRAW completely thru the yardlight pole! And for DAYS he couldn't find his best Banty rooster. He'd hear him crowing every morning from 'wayyy over yonder but he'd never come home.


    Then one day he noticed a bleach jug kinda' rolling around weirdly in the yard and he went picked 'er up and looked inside......

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    Cool Great guns

    Quote Originally Posted by alinwa View Post
    back in the day we've had all sorts of discussions about things like "how does a muzzle brake work" and "how does a bullet fly in a crosswind" and "can a bullet be over-stabilized" and "why does a left-blown bullet impact high?"

    we've even had topics about cars and trains and airplanes.

    Well here's one that threw my world off axis for a bit.

    This guy built a buggy that goes faster than the wind........ A vehicle which goes faster than the wind without an outside power source...... And got an open innernet bet for 10 large with a professor who said "that defies the laws of physics."

    it's got me and mine talking

    and as a "money where yer mouth is" guy who has a similar bet out there about bullets going to sleep, i liked this guy's approach

    so here's the vid of the bet setup. Other vids are available which expand on the subject but this is the first one i saw, the one sent to me.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycsgolc_fzi
    joe heines wins 100 yd ul. And grand.

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    joe heines wins 100 yd ul. And grand.

    What!

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by billbrawand View Post
    joe heines wins 100 yd ul. And grand.
    also mel estep shot very well boring little groups time and time again he was unbeleiveable.

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by billbrawand View Post
    also mel estep shot very well boring little groups time and time again he was unbeleiveable.
    as i looked down the range i count ed 360 daisy wind flaigs and 4 dull probes quite a take over

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    Cool

    Quote Originally Posted by butch lambert View Post
    joe heines wins 100 yd ul. And grand.

    What!
    in ibs natls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billbrawand View Post
    joe heines wins 100 yd ul. And grand.
    very well run match we all should thank camilus club for putting a well run match in these trying times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillBrawand View Post
    very well run match we all should thank camilus club for putting a well run match in these trying times.
    Off topic, this has nothing to do with the thread. Start a thread in the proper forum.

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