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    Rem 40-X ?

    Are ALL of the Remington 40-X, centerfire models trued/squared/blueprinted (whatever the proper terminology is) at the factory or Custom shop ? Or are the single shot 40-XBR (Benchrest series) models the only ones ?

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    In my experience working with the 40x's, I have found that some are less true than the standard 700, meaning more runout.

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    40x rem actions are not trued at the factory, singleshot or repeater.
    They are within factory tollerance. For whatever thats worth.

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    GStick

    The only difference in a 40x action and a standard 700 Short Action (mechanical wise), is the 40X does not have the magazine cut away.

    Your next question is probably, "then why do they cost so much". Simple. You are paying for a name. It does, after all, have "40X" stamped on the side of the action.

    I suspect when the local 40X cult members read this, the battle of words will begin. It's only been about a month since the last "hash and bash of the 40X" took place.

    Most of the 40X's popularity centers around investment value, not shooting. It's almost like a bunch of shooters are buying and selling these things among each other, hoping for the occasional ignorant, and gullible, shooter to happen along and sip the cool aid, and open the check book..........jackie
    Last edited by jackie schmidt; 01-16-2010 at 04:20 PM.

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    Very interesting. On "Big Greens" website, under Custom Shop, it says that the 40-X models are blueprinted. Also, the 40-XBR doesn't have Remington 40-XBR "STAMPED", it is etched on the action, so as not to stress the action. This is all what I found out today by searching, so I don't know if any of it is true. Thank You all for the responses!

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    Stick

    Maybe "BIG GREENS" of definition of truing an action is a tad different than what most precision Gunsmiths believe.

    All I can tell you is this. I have trued five 40x actions. They dated from early 80's to late 90's. None were any truer than a typical 700 out of the box.

    I think any competent Craftsman will tell you the same thing.

    Keep in mind, Remington also sells the 40x as a "Benchrest" Rifle. I guess that is true, just not a very good one..........jackie

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    I just completed a 40x rebuild. It was etched and although we would like
    to believe this was done to eliminate stress, it definitely did away
    with a stamping machine( money saved). The bolt fit was very admireable
    about .002 verticle play at the rear bridge. The face of the action still
    was off as were the threads. The face showing the common non
    concentric pattern. It may have been better than some, but not
    blue print as we know it.

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    Talking The truth about 40X Rifles

    Well I am one of the occasional ignorant, and gullible, shooter to happen along and sip the cool aid, and open the check book. Back in August 2000 I became the proud owner of a Rem 40X. I picked it up second hand but it was as new still in the box with the factory target. Did not appear to ever have been shot.

    As for the factory custom shop quality on this rifle: It sucked!

    The recoil lug was on backwards. The recoil lug was bedded with a dab of gel compound on one edge only. The scope base holes in the top of the receiver were were not true to the bore. OFF A LOT! And the trigger was no good. Off a concrete table the rifle would shoot about 3/4 Mil at best.

    After a new trigger, pillow block bedding and so on for 30+ manhours I had a 40X that would shoot aggs under 0.250.

    My 40X has been my best rifle. I have more fun with it than any other rifle I own! (I have a 10.5# Panda from Jim Boden. It is not much fun as it will always shoot near perfect if I do my part. It is perfect, nothing to do by shoot it.) The 40X is different. Always there is an opportunity to make a new financial investment as something else is always needed. For example I now have three stocks, two bolts, several scopes and a dozen or more barrels. My 40X shoots everything from 222 to 6.5X284. And my total investment is not much over $10,000.

    You can always go to BR gunsmith and have a custom action BR rifle built for a few thousand dollars and go shoot perfect. But when you buy a 40X you always have an improvement project waiting to be started. There is always work to be done. When the new Brownell and Midway catalogs come it you can usually find new things to order.

    If you like to work on rifles, and spend money, the 40X is the way to go. You can do the same with a 700 but it is not as elite.

    What we need is for someone to make some 40X hats and tee shirts.

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    octopus

    I find it interesting that your recoil lug was on backwards. I have a
    box of them, probably 40-50. Let me be the first to tell you
    there is no difference between the front and back.

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    Cool Except, perhaps the direction............

    they were blanked from..........??

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    Lugs

    Rem lugs certainly are blanked, and therefore have a direction. They
    are however cleaned up in some finishing process, which leaves no
    trailing edges. I have some aftermarket lugs which are no flatter . That
    a gun will shoot better having the lug turned around is subject to my B.S.
    sniffer and fails

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    The etched ones are the 40XB-BRs. The reason that they are not stamped is that the OD is ground after hardening so that the bottom 180 degrees of the action would be a true cylinder. Factory testing showed that it mattered for accuracy, and the stamping, that had to be done pre-hardening would take too much hand work to fix if the OD was ground after stamping...at least that was what I was told was the practice, back when Mike Walker ran the custom shop. Several years ago, after the move to the sun belt, I called the the custom shop, and spoke to the man in charge, asking whether the 40XB-BRs were still made the same way. He had no idea what I was talking about.

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    Groan!

    The only thing difference between the run of the mill Remingtons and what comes out of the Custom Shop is "spit polish".

    Same barrels, same actions (yes I know the the 40X action is not cut out) therefore should be less money:-)=

    Ask someone you trust, that has been in the Custom Shop and ask them how many machines were set up for truing actions or cutting chambers. ZERO or 0?

    Remington is no longer the Remington that was known when Mr Walker ran the show.............................................. ..................................................

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    40x, new and old

    In the mid 70's , custom actions were not real common on the fireing
    line as they are today. Stuart Ottesens book focuses on stiffness as
    that was the primary concern. Had this forum existed then, discussions
    about trueing actions probably would not have been commonplace.The
    clearance in bolt to action fit was seen as better than a mauser and
    therefore pretty good. My point here is that the remington 40x has really
    not changed very much. In comparison, custom built rifles are much better
    today and carry a bigger tag. I tried to purchase a 40x from rem. in the
    late 70's. Given a delivery date of over a year, I declined, but was able
    to buy direct from them, a 40x barreled action in two weeks. The stock
    also 40xb-br was purchased from the parts dept. I shot that gun
    at what was then Harts range in nescopeck, next to Pat McMillian.
    I of course did not shoot well as my understanding of conditions was
    poor. Weighing in my novice approach to the wind, Pat did tell me that
    my 222 40X was about as accurate a gun as he had ever seen. That
    action is still in use now and shoots quite well. When I bought that
    barreled action, with a rem 2 oz trigger, the price was $365. Today
    it would be over 3 times that, and not the best deal around. I see no
    difference in newer 40X actions, but the economics are much different.

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    40xbr

    Are any of the 40X series as accurate as a custom bench gun? NO
    Are they worth going to all the expense to make them BR competitive? NO
    Will a 6X47 compete with a 6 PPC? NO
    Are the a pleasure to shoot and own a bit of history? Yes
    Here is one re-chambered by Nelson Berger in 22 PPC. It will not out shoot any of my benchrest rifles but I'll never sell it because I love it. There is just no accounting for some peoples taste.

    http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r283/40X/40XBR.jpg

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