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Thread: Varget vs Reloader 15 in 308 ??

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    Varget vs Reloader 15 in 308 ??

    Following the advice from a later post I decided to give RL 15 a try
    with the 175 MK
    At 41 grs -not too bad at 100
    42 grs - Excellent at 100 and around 1/2 inch at 200 yards
    43 grs- Excellent at 100 and a little bit less than (.473) at 200 yards
    Even at 43 grs the recoil was not bad at all.Since I was just getting
    a pressure test for future loads I shot only 3 shot groups,no signs of
    pressure at all.
    Varget has been my go to powder for the 308 but now I may have to
    rethink my loads with RL15with Varget I load 43 grs over
    the 175 MK which seems to have greater recoil with same accuracy
    as RL 15 . No chronograph yet (too lazy to buy one) !
    Thanks
    John

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    What recoil???

    Recoil tells me nothing. With full loads I rate .308W and 30-06 as "no recoil", the 300WM as a little recoil, the 375HH about the same, the.450AI a recoil and the .460WM a fair bit of recoil.
    How one can tell a recoil difference between one or two grains of powder is beyond me. Only Good on you if you can do so. Buy yourself a chrono. and you'll never regret it.

    Shoot better
    Peter

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    RL15 is a great powder, however it is affected by temp. more than varget
    Last edited by bkluke; 04-29-2008 at 06:10 PM.

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    I prefer to shoot Varget when I can, but my .308 LOVES 43gr. of RL-15 and a 175 SMK lit by a 210-M. Velocity is around 2630fps out of my 700P. Pretty much a duplicate of the M-118LR round.

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    If you are concerned about recoil with the 308, go to the 155s. You should find accuracy somewhere between 45gr and 47gr of Varget. 155 SMKs shoot fantastic from my 308.

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    I worked up a load of 43.3 grains of RL15 and the 175 SMKs' with good accuracy, it was a little temp sensitive though. I eventually switched back to 42.5 H4895 and the CCIBR2's, great load in multiple temps.

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    Varget and RL-15 in the 308

    In my Barnard 308 Palma prone gun, I get 63 fps more out of exactly the same load of RL-15 than I do Varget. In the prone, Varget has a "sharper" recoil than RL-15 -- not that it matters to me, but I can tell the difference.
    In testing from the bench, both loads shoot little knots with Berger BTs.

    H-4895 is not as fast as the RL-15 but this is a great powder. VV550 is also very good with the heavier bullets between 185 and 210.

    FWIW,
    Jim

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    Yep you are correct sir-
    Varget seems to fire like a jolt,while RL15 feels more like a push
    I have seen this before in my Garand using 4895 (jolt) and 4064 (push)
    Not being recoil shy,I did notice this again during testing yesterday.
    Accuracy with both powders is very good to excellent.
    My range is only 200 yards for now and both powders are capable of
    1/2 inch groups(3 shot) at 200 . I did notice that varget seems to be a little
    cleaner than RL15 but not so that it is a problem.
    Thanks
    John

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    My .308 Win Ruger with factory barrel loves the RL15, so does my Shilen in 6mm.

    By dose is 44.5 gr RL 15 with a 165 gr Accubond, Win brass, Fed primer.

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    Well it seems like RL15 get the most votes
    Just thought Varget was the most popular for long range
    in the 308

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    By and large, I think Varget still is the most popular (I use both, depending on the bullet and/or gun). A lot of people gripe about it, one thing or another, but probably 90% of the LR .308 shooters I know use Varget. They just don't post here on a Benchrest forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by wnroscoe View Post
    I worked up a load of 43.3 grains of RL15 and the 175 SMKs' with good accuracy, it was a little temp sensitive though. I eventually switched back to 42.5 H4895 and the CCIBR2's, great load in multiple temps.
    "42.5 H4895 and the CCIBR2's" I'm gonna give this load a try and see how see does. I'm using 29.0grs of H4895 in my 6BR, would be nice to have one powder for both calibers.
    Any advantages/disadvantages to using H4895 over the popular Varget powder?

    Robert
    Last edited by rmorr01; 05-02-2008 at 06:49 PM.

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    RL 15 is a double base powder, which usually makes it more sensitive to temperature, I found that RL 22 in 6.5 certainly was. Varget is one of the Extreme series of powders from Hodgdon, which are designed to be temp insensitive. In my limited experience, Varget is more consistent, although those occasional screamer groups from RL powders are hard to ignore.

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    Hmmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by rmorr01 View Post
    "42.5 H4895 and the CCIBR2's" I'm gonna give this load a try and see how see does. I'm using 29.0grs of H4895 in my 6BR, would be nice to have one powder for both calibers.
    Any advantages/disadvantages to using H4895 over the popular Varget powder?

    Robert
    Robert:

    It is interesting that you wish to use the same powder in the .308 as you do in your 6BR. I have always been able to do exactly that. I get great results with Varget, RL15, H4895, N140, N150, 540 and 560 in both the 6BR and the .308.

    Jim

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    Newbie Temp Question

    Pardon my ignorance here but what exactly to y'all mean by temp sensitive? I am thinking room/storage temp. Then I thought about ambient temp outside at the range where it can get to be 95-100 degrees down here in Houston. Thanks in advance and don't laugh too hard.

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