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10-25-2009, 08:48 AM
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At present, I know of no one making BR stocks for airguns. Don Stith has no interest in making BR stocks for front bottle airguns last I knew, and the only fellow that was making stocks for front bottle airguns was Mike Turner for the Theoben Rapids. Regrettably Mike Turner seems to have disappeared, his web site is gone last time I looked, and it appears he may no longer be making airgun stocks. It is a lack of available BR stocks for airguns that has caused me to start designing and making my own BR stocks. Fortunately, being retired, I have time and a workshop and having been an oceanographic equipment designer with some background in pattern making, I'm used to innovating my own solutions. And I have free wood, my choice of wood is black cherry as I have a selection of black cherry boards from some trees we cut down while reclaiming a pasture on my Uncle's retirement farm some 40 years ago. These boards have been drying in my cellar since and are now supplying me with some nice wood to experiment with a bit of stock making. So far, so good, the first completed stock appears to be a success. Its very stable and rides the Von Ahrens rest like a dream. Tracking is perfect, the cross hairs never leave the 10 ring of the bullseye and I'm very pleased with how it has turned out. I'm now working on a second stock, one for the FX Royale with its 400 cc front bottle. At the moment the FX Royale stock progress is stopped waiting for a 2" round nosed Freud router bit that has been back ordered. The 2" bit is for routing the air bottle pocket in the forend of the stock. Life would be a lot simpler if I had a CNC machine however as I have only conventional wood working tools aided by a 1970's vintage Bridgeport milling machine, my stock work is all manually done. Very low production and very labor intensive! Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow... Last edited by ShadowChaser; 10-26-2009 at 03:49 PM. Reason: spelling... 
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#17
10-25-2009, 09:00 AM
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3.0" is what I make the forends of my stocks which is pretty much the standard as far as I have been able to determine. To the best of my knowledge, for airgun benchrest shooting, there is no regulation or definition as to how wide the forend may be. As my stocks/guns are shot in AGBR unlimited class shooting, it is the front gun guide of the rest that I use that actually determines how wide I make the forends. Most shooting rests that I have used or seen will not accept a forend wider than 3.0" by much more than a 1/64" of an inch. Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow...
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10-25-2009, 12:16 PM
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Mitch:
Looking at your stock for the AA it appears that it has a mutch better fore end for a rest support. It also, I suspect, would fit the special class in 50BR as an unregulated PCP shooting over 600 fps. The range/club I belong to has a weekly BR50 shoot and may be the most appropriate/convenient. Has your experiece with the AA shown that it is a very competitive set up? Do you know if there is a difference between the 410 and the 400 for accuracy? How do you like the side lever function? If you have never tried the electronic trigger of a Daystate, I recommend trying one. It was so much better than my friends AZ Rapid trigger and bolt function. I have never pulled the trigger on an AA. Again, thanks for the info you provide. Chuck
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10-25-2009, 12:19 PM
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The reason that I asked was because I have a Richards benchrest stock blank that my son miss ordered that I 'm not going to use. It came in totally non inleted and I'm not much of a wood worker. the only trouble is that it has a 2.5 inch forend.
Larry
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10-25-2009, 02:53 PM
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I have been lurking on this site and find it fascinating. I have a serious question: Have you ever considered making the rest for the gun out of some reasonably stable wood? Pivots could be made with nylon flanged bushings and suppliers such as Travers provide a number of special screws at very reasonable costs. Wood probably has better damping qualities that aluminum.
I have been thinking of trying ( I am better at woodworking than shooting). Any thoughts?
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#21
10-25-2009, 04:03 PM
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No, I have never had the opportunity to try the electronic trigger in a Daystate. The only fellow in this area with a Daystate that I know about, has a CR-X that I believe predates the electronic trigger. Its a great looking gun and interested me very much when I chose my first PCP airgun however I chose to go with the Air Arms S400MPR-FT for my first and its a decision I have not regretted at all. Since acquiring that S400MPR-FT which is .177 caliber, I discovered the S400SL-XTRA in .22 caliber and very quickly became enamored of the side lever action. As to triggers, Air Arms S400 triggers are tops for mechanical triggers, they can be tweaked to single stage with very sensitive pressure settings as they come from the box, no modifications needed. And Yes, the Air Arms S400 series guns with the air tube reservoir is a much better action/reservoir/barrel assembly to make a stock for than a front bottle gun based on my experience so far. Yes, the AA guns are very competitive, I almost took one of the outdoor AGBR matches this past spring with the AA S400SL .22 in the laminate BR stock however due to my own mistake, I double shot one bullseye and missed the one next to it on the first of three targets which cost me the target by 21 points however I did win the second and third targets and came in either 3rd or 4th in aggregate score for the match and was only 8 points down from the match winner. Boy, did that first target hurt!!! As to comparing a S400 and an S410 for accuracy, as I've not shot a S410 however at least one other shooter in our matches shoots a S410 and comparing the two guns, there is no reason why a S410 should not be as accurate as far as I can tell. The only difference between the S400 and the S410 is the braket mounted to the side of the action for the magazine. The S410 mechanism is identical to the S400 and if you removed the bracket and screws holding it, as far as I can tell, they would be the same. As to shooting from a magazine, a couple of our local shooters who are often match winners do shoot PCP guns with a magazine and find no difference in accuracy between using the magazine and single loading pellets. As to power level classifications, all my PCP guns, as I now have 4 in my collection, 3 AA S400 and the FX Royale, all are high power unregulated guns and typically shoot in the 850- 950 fps range depending on what weight pellet I choose. I am not familiar with BR50, all the matches in this area are AGBR, either springer, Match, or Unlimited class and I choose to shoot in the AGBR Unlimited class as its what comes closest to RBA/IR5050 which is my other choice for a benchrest shooting activity. This means I get to use the same range equipment such as rests, wind flags etc. I'm an inveterate tinkerer and still learning about airguns and I do a lot of experimenting with gun tuning. I use the matches as a way to evaluate my work on the guns and stocks by the opportunity to compare them to how other shooter's guns perform. At this stage of the game, my guns are mostly an experiment and learning process for me however none of them are a disappointment at this stage of the game and my match shooting is more for gun testing rather than being competitive at this stage of the game as I see it. Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow... Last edited by ShadowChaser; 10-25-2009 at 04:08 PM.
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10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
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A stock having a 2.5" forend should not be a problem, the sled attached to the factory synthetic stock of my FX Royale is 2.6" wide and it works fine... First official AGBR match target shot with that setup was a 250 followed by a 248 that darn near plugged as a 250! As to the Richard's stock, I would think that a PCP airgun with a tube type reservoir would fit it. Case in point, the Air Arms action and airtube fits very nicely in a 1.25" channel routed with a Freud 1.25 dia. round nosed router bit (Freud stock# 18-130) and the trigger housing slot is 1/2" wide and a shade over 3.44" long. A 1" hole for the guage and a 1/4" hole for the bolt and that's the inletting. Only thing you need to do is to square off the end of the 1.25" channel for the back of the receiver and a 1/4" dia router bit will do that nicely. The Air Arms S400 is a very easy gun to do inletting for. Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow...
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#23
10-25-2009, 04:41 PM
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Yes, a few shooters have made wood rests that work quite well. Here is a link to a posting about a nicely made wooden rest with pictures: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...d.php?t=239326 Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow...
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#24
11-04-2009, 10:26 AM
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FX Royale in Benchrest stock
Finally, after a months work, the FX Royal BR stock is nearly complete.
 More pictures here: http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/k...view=slideshow At this point, the Black Cherry stock has one coat of urethane sealer on it and now will get final sanding and rubbing out and the final finish will be MinWax Polyurethane... Happy Shooting Y'all... Mitch & Shadow...
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11-05-2009, 03:50 PM
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air gun trigers !
all this is all very good info as it looks like all of you guys know what your talking about. now i have a question , how easy would it be to put a triger ,say from a AA S400 on a AA-SM- 100 ? or any good match type trigers ? amy thoughts on this ? thanks . H.B
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11-05-2009, 08:35 PM
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Based on what little imformation I have about the SM100, your question leaves me wondering why you want to modify or change the trigger? Do you have any pictures of it? Two people that might have the information or knowledge you are looking for, David Slade at TheobenUSA and Steve at PAG... Happy shooting, Mitch & Shadow... Last edited by ShadowChaser; 11-05-2009 at 08:40 PM.
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11-05-2009, 10:01 PM
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trigers sm100.
thanks very much for your fast reply, the AA SM100 came with a so so triger or a very good match triger.very few came with a match triger .I have one with a match triger and two with the so called so-so triger. the match triger is as good as the best 10 meter gun made.so now if the S400 is like a match triger in its setup that would be a very good thing. I know that the S400 would need a little tweeking to get it to fit but what doesn't ? any thoughts on this ? thanks.H.B.
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#28
11-06-2009, 08:30 AM
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Deliterman,
Its my feeling that any match grade trigger is going to take some tweaking by the shooter to get it set up to his liking. Mainly because the factories set the triggers up to be safe by anyone's standards, and we as BR shooters typically push the edge of what most manufacturs would consider safe for the general public. The trigger designs on my match rifles that I find take only tweaking to set them up as I like them is the Winchester micro-motion trigger of the Winchester later model 52 series guns and the Air Arms S400 series guns. I can only speculate about changing a SM100 so-so trigger for a S400 series trigger due to my lack of hands on knowledge of the SM100 however if you can determine it is a practical swap as far as fit and function is concerned, yes, I'd have to think it would be worth doing provided you can obtain an S400 series trigger module. That might be another difficult factor to consider... As to how practical the mechanics of such a swap is to make, I do not have a clue, I can only refer you to David Slade (a factory trained Air Arms service technician) or to Steve at PAG (Pomona Air Guns) as I believe these gentlemen would have the best answer to your questions... Edited to add: Also Bruno at TG (TopGun Airguns) Also, possibly someone on the Air Arms Owner's forum might be able to help you. Happy Shooting, Mitch & Shadow... Last edited by ShadowChaser; 11-06-2009 at 08:48 AM.
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11-06-2009, 07:39 PM
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air arms triger..
Thanks for your help. very good . I will see what I can do with your info.H.B.
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